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--- Log opened Sun Mar 18 00:00:01 2012
00:06 rubberdom  what's going on
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00:13 vlc-build  build containing revision(s) [] on nb-source is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.videolan.org/builders/nb-source/builds/1207
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00:22 peace  test
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00:27 alienBOB  peace: anything _worthwhile_ that you want to contribute?
00:27 edwardw1  alienBOB: he is probably an IRC troll bot :P
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00:29 alienBOB  It's worse... he is dutch
00:29 rubberdom1  hi
00:30 rubberdom1  just a starter sorry
00:30 alienBOB  rubberdom1: anything _worthwhile_ that you want to contribute?
00:31 alienBOB  And entering with two nicks makes you suspicious of running spam bots
00:31 rubberdom1  alles mag niets moet
00:31 alienBOB  Lul niet
00:32*edwardw1 translates
00:32 rubberdom1  hee een echte hollander
00:32*alienBOB ignores the asshole
00:32 No_se  If you want to test irc, just create your own channel, \/join somerandomchars
00:32 edwardw1  too bad foreign relations minister j-b is sleeping
00:33 edwardw1  and minister of national defence courmisch is not around
00:33 edwardw1  and minister of entertainment funman isn't either
00:33 rubberdom1  sorry somebody told me to go here wikichannel
00:33 No_se  There is always something we can do. Stop feeding
00:34 edwardw1  then everyone dies
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00:34 edwardw1  I'm not sure hunger strike is the right frame of action
00:34 No_se  the troll
00:35 rubberdom1  pas op hoor alien Bob
00:35 rubberdom1  oops lots of depression down here
00:36 edwardw1  alienBOB: you are dutch, aren't you?
00:36 rubberdom1  bob is rude
00:36 alienBOB  Yes, I am
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00:36 rubberdom1  what have i done wrong beeeeheeeeheee
00:37 rubberdom1  t
00:37 alienBOB  rubberdom1: most important, this is a Videolan support channel, not the local kiddie hangout
00:37 minimaL  any release info about 2.1 ?
00:38 No_se  2.0.1 was tagged
00:39 rubberdom1  wonder how to capture a video on you tube for it is blocked on you tube
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00:41 vlc-build  build containing revision(s) [] on nb-i386-win32 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.videolan.org/builders/nb-i386-win32/builds/84
00:42 minimaL  where can I find any info No_se? Because normally I just follow the progress in roadmap
00:44 No_se  OS?
00:46 No_se  For example in the webgit: http://git.videolan.org/
00:48 edwardw1  well, I think 2.1 is still a miles away
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00:52 minimaL  w7 No_se :)
00:52 minimaL  but your link will do the trick, ty :)
00:54 minimaL  and w64 still is trunk, got that right?
00:54 edwardw1  ?
00:54 rubberdom  all geeks
00:55 rubberdom  geeks are  cool?
00:55 edwardw1  right...
00:55 rubberdom  don't call them autistic ir i slap you grrrr
00:56 edwardw1  plonk
00:56 rubberdom  plonk explain
00:56 No_se  rubberdom1: When youtube blocks videos, there is nothing vlc can do about it. vlc's job is it to play data.
00:57 edwardw1  and McCarthyism isn't going to help you in #videolan
00:57 No_se  But I really think this is not the right place here for "trying" irc.
00:57 rubberdom  thanks for hellping me out
00:58 edwardw1  try this website called Google
00:58 No_se  minimaL: If you only want to use a recent version of vlc I guess you are looking for nb.
00:58 No_se  !nb
00:58 Hector4212_  Nightly Builds can be found at http://nightlies.videolan.org/, trunk is 2.1.0 and branch is 2.0.0
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00:59 No_se  I am off. No more food from me
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01:03 alienBOB  rubberdom: you can open a youtube video in VLC, then click "Convert/Save" menu and let VLC convert & save a local copy of that youtube video
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01:03 alienBOB  Enter a filename ending on .MP4 so that you can use the default encoding profile
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01:13 vlc-build  build containing revision(s) [] on nb-source-stable is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.videolan.org/builders/nb-source-stable/builds/79
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01:34 funman  are other 2.0.1 binaries incoming?
01:34 funman  i don't have the release key to sign win64 binaries
01:34 edwardw1  !messages funman
01:34 Hector4212_  funman: tools -> messages -> set verbosity to 2, play again
01:37 edwardw1  funman: I presume we are not releasing win64 until 2.1
01:37 edwardw1  since win64 is crap right now
01:37 edwardw1  and many libraries are broken
01:37 funman  edwardw1: link to bug report?
01:38 edwardw1  funman: I'm saying in general
01:38 edwardw1  funman: by the way did you test my new Android patch?
01:39 funman  edwardw1: it works fine .. and no i will have time next week
01:39 edwardw1  by the way pastebin.com is down
01:39 edwardw1  ddos?
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01:40 edwardw1  and now back up :D
01:40 edwardw1  that was fast
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02:42 vlc-build  build containing revision(s) [] on nb-i386-win32-stable is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.videolan.org/builders/nb-i386-win32-stable/builds/89
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03:43 vlc-build  build containing revision(s) [] on nb-distcheck-stable is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.videolan.org/builders/nb-distcheck-stable/builds/78
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04:00 detaos  hi everybody
04:01 detaos  i just compiled vlc for android and loaded it on my asus transformer prime tablet.  it looks really slick!  one question: how do i tell it to open an rtsp stream?
04:01 edwardw1  detaos: lol
04:02 detaos  edwardw1: ??
04:03 edwardw1  detaos: no, just lol'ing at the bad timing
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04:03 edwardw1  detaos: are you a developer? or just Android enthuiast?
04:03 detaos  edwardw1: developer.
04:04 edwardw1  detaos: because just a while ago I made patches to allow to open streams, e.g. rtsp
04:04 edwardw1  but main developer(s) are on vacation
04:04 edwardw1  are you comfortable with applying two patches?
04:04 detaos  sure ... hit me
04:04 edwardw1  (to your local git tree, of course)
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04:05 detaos  i didn't think you were going to give me write access to the main git repo ;)
04:05 edwardw1  1) http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/android/2012-March/000114.html
04:05 edwardw1  2) http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/android/2012-March/000100.html
04:06 edwardw1  by the way uninstall VLC before you apply these two
04:06 detaos  i was assuming: uninstall, apply patches, recompile, reinstall.
04:09 CIA-63  Pierre Ynard master share/lua/intf/modules/host.lua: lua: do delete stdin/stdout client This fixes an endless loop when piping commands to stdin with echo for example
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04:13 detaos  edwardw1: http://dpaste.com/718128/
04:14 edwardw1  git pull
04:14 edwardw1  and use git am
04:15 detaos  http://dpaste.com/718129/
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04:19 CIA-63  Pierre Ynard master share/lua/intf/modules/host.lua: lua: finish reading data from hung up client before deleting it In particular this happens when piping commands into stdin
04:20 edwardw1  detaos: you there?
04:20 detaos  yes
04:20 edwardw1  detaos: http://compdigitec.com/temp/1.patch
04:20 edwardw1  use git am
04:22 detaos  http://dpaste.com/718132/
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04:23 edwardw1  sometimes, git is not as magical as they claim...
04:24 edwardw1  detaos: http://compdigitec.com/temp/1.patch again
04:24 edwardw1  git reset --hard HEAD
04:24 edwardw1  then git am
04:27 edwardw1  detaos: ?
04:27 detaos  previous rebase directory /home/detaos/android/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given.
04:27 edwardw1  git am --abort
04:28 detaos  aside from some whitespace ... it smells like success :)  http://dpaste.com/718134/
04:29 edwardw1  perfect
04:29 edwardw1  now, http://compdigitec.com/temp/2.patch
04:29 detaos  Applying: Add open MRL feature in menu
04:30 edwardw1  that is all?
04:30 detaos  that's it
04:30 edwardw1  make distclean
04:30 edwardw1  make build-and-run
04:30 detaos  build-and-run?
04:30 edwardw1  "make build-and-run" is a command you type
04:30 detaos  would that launch the editor?
04:30 detaos  s/editor/emulator/
04:31 edwardw1  aren't you using ADB and ASUS tablet?
04:31 edwardw1  or just "make" then
04:31 CIA-63  Pierre Ynard master share/lua/intf/modules/host.lua: lua: do delete stdin/stdout client This fixes an endless loop when piping commands to stdin with echo for example
04:32 detaos  i got tired of the mtp not working right ... so i build the apk ... upload it to my server ... then download it to the tablet ... it's going around the block to get next door, i know ... but it works.
04:36 edwardw1  so? did it work??
04:36 CIA-63  Pierre Ynard master share/lua/intf/modules/host.lua: lua: cosmetics
04:36 detaos  still compiling
04:36 linkfanel  fucking crap, not only the logic sucks but the formatting is wrong too
04:37 detaos  ... my favourite part: BUILD SUCCESSFUL ... Total time: 10 seconds <-- soooo not accurate.
04:38 edwardw1  linkfanel: LUA?
04:38 edwardw1  thank dionoea
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04:47 edwardw1  detaos: ?
04:48 detaos  edwardw1: the gui to open an rtsp stream looks great ... but it fails to play the video
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04:49 edwardw1  you want video too?
04:49*edwardw1 adds to TODO list
04:49 edwardw1  detaos: what about audio rtsp?
04:49 edwardw1  did you try?
04:49 detaos  moment ... let me turn the music down and i'll test again.
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04:50 edwardw1  linkfanel: you there?
04:51 linkfanel  ?
04:51 detaos  edwardw1: the bar at the bottom showing stream address makes it looks like it's playing a stream, but no sound comes out.
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04:51 edwardw1  linkfanel: are you familiar with Unix?
04:52 edwardw1  weird
04:52 edwardw1  worked perfectly in my testing
04:52 edwardw1  detaos: codec
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04:52 edwardw1  try using a more normal codec/mux
04:52 linkfanel  what do you mean, unix?
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04:53 edwardw1  linkfanel: how do you get rid of a zombie process with parent ID 1 (init)?
04:53 edwardw1  I really don't wanna reboot right now
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04:54 detaos  edwardw1: i'm streaming from a `teradek cube 250` encoder ... i don't get to choose the audio encoding :-/
04:54 linkfanel  i'm not sure that this is supposed to happen
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04:55 edwardw1  linkfanel: 0 Z     0  1587     1  0  80   0 -     0 schedu pts/1    00:00:31 adb <defunct>
04:55 edwardw1  notice 5th column (PPID) is "1" - init
04:55 edwardw1  and I presume sudo killall init is bad
04:55 linkfanel  it wouldn't work anyway
04:56 edwardw1  so what do I do?
04:56 edwardw1  sudo kill -9 1587 does nothing
04:56 linkfanel  is this a linux system?
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04:56 edwardw1  yeah
04:57 edwardw1  detaos: logcat logs
04:57 linkfanel  kill a gettty
04:57 edwardw1  ???
04:57 linkfanel  it should make init reap some zombie children
04:57 linkfanel  if it doesn't work, i don't know
04:59 edwardw1  [174004.778413] init: tty4 main process (684) killed by TERM signal
04:59 edwardw1  [174004.778515] init: tty4 main process ended, respawning
04:59 linkfanel  yeah
04:59 linkfanel  is your zombie still there?
04:59 edwardw1  root      1587  0.0  0.0      0     0 pts/1    Zl   Mar15   0:31 [adb] <defunct>
05:00 linkfanel  i doubt that you can get rid of it
05:00 edwardw1  by the way there's a ton of driver spew in dmesg
05:00 edwardw1  e.g. [118200.488163]  [<c13dfb59>] usb_kill_urb+0x29/0x30
05:00 edwardw1  [118200.488270] INFO: task adb:1588 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
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05:00 edwardw1  and stuff like that
05:01 edwardw1  ugh reboot
05:01 edwardw1  well I guess better than Windows at least
05:01 edwardw1  on Windows I'd have a process taking up a window and unkillable via taskmgr
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05:02 linkfanel  oh yeah is that adb really to your usb thing?
05:03 linkfanel  *relate
05:03 linkfanel  d
05:04 edwardw1  yeah
05:04 edwardw1  adb is the android debug bridge
05:04 edwardw1  connects Android phones to Linux
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05:06 linkfanel  ah it happened to me too when i was using a usb modem
05:06 linkfanel  shit sucks
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05:07 edwardw1  oh well
05:07 edwardw1  /me reboots
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05:54 Animawish  I've got my macbook pro (running 10.7) connected to a TV using an HDMI cable, and I'm playing videos on the large screen essentially as a secondary monitor. However, when I try to make it fullscreen, the window moves to my laptop's screen and then the TV gets the dark dashboard texture
05:55 Animawish  is there a way for me to force the fullscreen to go to the second monitor?
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06:17 brutal_chaos  so I just installed 2.0.0, why does the volume control lag so much now? before (through 1.1.11) it was near instant response, now it takes a good 500+ms to change
06:18 brutal_chaos  (win32)
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07:03 nkoriyama  brutal_chaos: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/5654
07:04 nkoriyama  Animawish: how about using nightly builds? http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/macosx-intel/vlc-2.0.0-x86_64-20120318-0317.zip
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07:10 brutal_chaos  nkoriyama: thanks!
07:11 nkoriyama  Animawish: If you enable "native fullscreen mode on lion", disable it.
07:13 Animawish  nkoriyama: how do I do that?
07:14 brutal_chaos  nkoriyama: i added my note to the bug. :/
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07:39 nkoriyama  Animawish: In the preferences.
07:39 nkoriyama  Animawish: In the preferences. <- "native fullscreen mode on lion"
07:39 Animawish  it's disabled
07:40 nkoriyama  Animawish: Can you try nightly builds?
07:42 nkoriyama  Animawish: Download zip, extract it, and  move VLC.app to /Applications
07:43 Animawish  :O the nightly build made it work
07:43 Animawish  thanks :3
07:44 nkoriyama  Animawish: you are welcome. Maybe 2.0.1 will be released soon.
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09:08 penyulap  Hi everyone, I have a Ogg video, and I want to separate it into separate frames, each frame a picture, so I can fiddle with them using an image editor. I'm using ubuntu. Does anyone know how I can ask vlc to separate the images ? I can't find it anywhere in the convert and save sort of panels. any help would be appreciated
09:09 komputes  penyulap: http://electron.mit.edu/~gsteele/ffmpeg/
09:11 penyulap  thank you
09:11 komputes  penyulap: welcome
09:17 penyulap  I've had a good read, and will bookmark the page for later use, but it seems mostly about the opposite direction. I probably wasn't clear, or can't see a link on the page, I want to go from video to pictures, rather than pictures to video, do you have another link for that ? preferably with vlc, because my system is having troubles updating and installing anything, although i do have another system i could use instead, but no keyboard at the moment. I figu
09:18*komputes looks
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09:28 Dnumgis  penyulap: vlc -V image
09:29 penyulap  oh cool
09:29 Dnumgis  hmm, maybenot
09:30 penyulap  to put a movie title in, vlc example.ogg -V imagename.jpg  ? like that ?
09:30 penyulap  I should put the ogg in the same directory as the terminal and it would go crazy in there?
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09:31 penyulap  it's video-> images. not images -> video (I do the latter with gimp, I just make a gif animation
09:32 penyulap  its the video i want to pull apart into images
09:32 Dnumgis  I can't find that module anymore, it might be gone now, or maybe renamed
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09:34 komputes  penyulap: http://pr0gr4mm3r.com/linux/convert-video-to-images-and-back-using-ffmpeg/http://pr0gr4mm3r.com/linux/convert-video-to-images-and-back-using-ffmpeg/
09:34 komputes  oops
09:35 penyulap  oops? I'm looking anyway :D
09:35 Dnumgis  oh,well, ffmpeg is probably a  better tool for that anyway
09:35 penyulap  if I can get ffmpeg onto a computer around here, that's not easy
09:36 komputes  sorry for pasting that twice, but that should work
09:36 penyulap  I had been freezing the video and making screenshots and the cursor was in them :|
09:36 komputes  maybe convert the ogg to mpeg/avi before doing it if it's buggy
09:36 komputes  hehe
09:37 penyulap  that link looks good, i will have to try to get ff
09:37 penyulap  maybe
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09:37 penyulap  I can see only one paste komputes
09:38 komputes  for converting formats ffmpeg is the best
09:38 komputes  http://pr0gr4mm3r.com/linux/convert-video-to-images-and-back-using-ffmpeg/
09:38 komputes  that's only one paste ^
09:39 komputes  the comments are good too
09:40 penyulap  looks like ff is on here already :D oh happy day
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09:45 SALstar  Hello. How I can open DVB stream from vlc2 commandline? In vlc1 dvb-t://frequency=...,... worked well, but in vlc2 this works only sometimes.
09:46 penyulap  :D ffmpeg is doing something, and so far the system hasn't windozed :D
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09:49 penyulap  well, I got 830 frames of pixelated change data, sortof getting there. Not real pictures, but getting closer...
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09:51 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master modules/video_filter/transform.c: transform: add transposition and anti-transposition transforms
09:52 penyulap  im not sure how to do that
09:54 komputes  ignore that msg penyulap  
09:54 penyulap  ok
09:54 komputes  penyulap: how are the pics?
09:54 penyulap  what message ?
09:54 penyulap  they suck
09:54 komputes  penyulap: try converting the video to mpeg first
09:55 penyulap  pixelated into oblivion, worse than criminals get on tv :)
09:55 penyulap  it's maybe the changes from one image to the next
09:55 komputes  yeah, usually the case
09:55 komputes  ogg not good for that
09:55 penyulap  but with the missing frames it doesn't look good or even like pics
09:55 penyulap  but i think i'll have to convert, yes.
09:56 penyulap  i should be able to toy with that part myself, a bit rusty, but it's not too hard
09:57 komputes  ffmpeg -i input.ogg output.mpg
09:57 komputes  i think
09:58 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master modules/video_filter/transform.c: transform: add transposition and anti-transposition transforms
09:58 courmisch  ooups, small typo
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11:39 tarantola46  Hi
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12:00 hakzsam  hi
12:01 hakzsam  so, vlc does not take part in the GSoC 2012?
12:04 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master include/vlc_common.h: Add parity() helper
12:05 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master include/vlc_es.h: Add orientation to video format
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12:09 hakzsam  ILEoo, do you have news from lastfm since the last time ?
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12:25 feepk  morning
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12:35 thresh  morning
12:36 feepk  thresh: recovered from last night's hangover?
12:36 thresh  hakzsam: nope, we're out of GSoC 2012
12:36 thresh  feepk: not yet :)
12:37 hakzsam  that's too bad :(
12:38 lissyx  fun, libvlc 1.1 and 2.0 have totally opposite let buggy behavior on libvlc_audio_set_mute/volume at least under ubuntu and debian with pulseaudio
12:38 lissyx  don't know who is to blame, though.
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13:00 SoCalledFlipped  How often do people come in here asking how to merge flv files?
13:01 feepk  I think you're the first in a really long time
13:01 SoCalledFlipped  Really?! Ok then people won't get fed up when I ask again.
13:02 SoCalledFlipped  I've found a few forum.videolan.org pages on the topic but have not been able to figure it out. Is it possible without transcoding, or should I start doing research into transcoding?
13:02 No_se  feepk: scarabeus noticed a first message in vlc.pot (lines 6,7 IIRC). Is this a bug or was that neccessary?
13:03 feepk  No_se: a "first message"?
13:03 No_se  An empty string within the header.
13:03 No_se  Let me look it up
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13:04 feepk  thresh: could you check my 2.0.1 build for Intel64 to see if it works?
13:04 SoCalledFlipped  For me, this produces a zero-length file: vlc -I dummy -vvv a.flv b.flv --sout "#gather:std{access=file,mux=flv,dst=c.flv}" --sout-keep
13:04 feepk  thresh: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14924522/2.0.1/vlc-2.0.1-intel64.dmg
13:04 No_se  #: modules/gui/macosx/prefs.m:481 modules/gui/macosx/simple_prefs.m:445 \n
13:04 No_se  #, fuzzy \n     msgid ""   \n    msgstr ""
13:05 No_se  That's within the header right before line10: "Project-Id-Version: vlc 2.0.1\n"
13:06 feepk  No_se: that's "make po" being stupid
13:06 feepk  No_se: I'll see how I can fix that for 2.0.2
13:09 No_se  Did not bother me that much. Thought it was needed somehow. However, _if_ you are going to modify it, could you modify the results in a way that all the po-files have the completey header before the first string?
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13:09 No_se  Just for simplier knowing the header is done.
13:09 feepk  No_se: this is auto-generated, so I don't know if I can do much about that
13:10 feepk  No_se: the important point whatsoever is, that gettext shouldn't add empty strings to po files..
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13:10 SoCalledFlipped  Is it possible that I might have better luck with a nightly?
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13:11 No_se  If the empty string is gone, I guess grepping the first "#:" will do already.
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13:19 thresh  feepk: seems ok (i'm on 10.6.8)
13:21 thresh  feepk: I've tried some HD and non-HD mkv, mp4, avis...
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13:22 feepk  thresh: awesome, thanks! :)
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13:54 feepk  brad0: are you around?
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13:55 feepk  hey CrapulaX. just got your mail :) I'll try to reproduce shortly :)
13:55 CrapulaX  roger that
13:55 feepk  CrapulaX: do you happen to have a Mac running OS X 10.5 on Intel?
13:55 CrapulaX  sure
13:56 feepk  really?
13:56 feepk  cool!
13:56 CrapulaX  arrg no, 10.6  
13:56 feepk  arf :)
13:56 feepk  no problem!
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14:00 pony68  Hello. Out of curiosity, how do you suggest to deal with "problem reports" like this: http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6405
14:00 feepk  brad0: here's the to-be-final build of VLC 2.0.1 for PPC. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14924522/2.0.1/vlc-2.0.1-powerpc.dmg
14:01 feepk  pony68: exactly how VLC_help dealt with it
14:02 feepk  pony68: if you're wondering about the rationale behind dropping 10.4 support about 3 years ago, I can give you some further details ;)
14:02 feepk  okay, 2.5 years
14:02 feepk  last release on 2009-07-28
14:03 pony68  i am not really interested in 10.4, I understand the reasoning behind dropping support for it - I am more interested in whether it is appropriate in such cases to delete the ticket altogether
14:04 feepk  pony68: I'm not really sure whether 1) this would be appropriate, since dealing with negative feedback in a sensible way can be a plus PR-wise 2) you can actually delete tickets on trac..
14:05 pony68  I guess you are correct - the PR is good on this one, that VLC does not resort to insulting others etc.
14:06 No_se  I agree in just keeping it. If vlc_help has a good mood, there could even be an "we do not have the ressources to support this old systems, Feel free to contribute or fork"
14:07 No_se  As long as no more devs have to see this ticket still pending, it won't cause much extra work
14:09 ln-  you can delete tickets on trac.
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14:10 ln-  technically, i mean; no idea about policy.
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14:17 SoCalledFlipped  pony68: That trac was a bit ridiculous, but you should forgive the poor guy because there is no software at all that works in 10.4. I have it bad enough with 10.5, perhaps that's why I can empathize.
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14:18 SoCalledFlipped  That guy can't even browse the web without stuff breaking so no wonder he's upset all the time.
14:19 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: *cough* you use 10.5?
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14:19 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: Intel or PPC?
14:19 SoCalledFlipped  PPC lives !!!
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14:19 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: dammit. I need a 10.5 on Intel user.. :)
14:19 SoCalledFlipped  That's going to be pretty rare.
14:19 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: however, if you have a minute, it would be awesome if you could testdrive my 2.0.1 build for PPC
14:20 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: tell me about it :D
14:20 SoCalledFlipped  I've already downloaded it.
14:20 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: from my dropbox?
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14:20 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: today?
14:20 SoCalledFlipped  Yes, just now. Any chance you could answer one of my questions, I will definitely be testing out your build.
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14:21 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: sorry, I never merged flv files. the MRL you posted looked okay to me
14:21 SoCalledFlipped  Oh well. I'll try your build anyway.
14:21 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: you might want to launch VLC with -vvvv to see what's going on
14:21 SoCalledFlipped  Anything in particular you are looking for?
14:22 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: no, just whether it works :)
14:22 SoCalledFlipped  And -vvvv is what?
14:22 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: it gives you all of VLC's debug messages, which is kind of useful if you're looking for why your command-line commands fail
14:22 SoCalledFlipped  And where should I look for the debug messages?
14:23 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: ah, never mind. you already do the -vvv, which is mostly the same
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14:23 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: the output should be in the same Terminal window where you're typing your commands
14:26 SoCalledFlipped  I am no stranger to the terminal or XCode, but I have no idea what I should expect. I only use the GUI vlc except for today when I tried to merge flv files because, like that miserable complaining 10.4 user, I can't stream videos from youku.com.
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14:27 SoCalledFlipped  But before I do this, will I be able to uninstall it without any trouble and rollback to a stable version?
14:27 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: try to remove the -I dummy argument. this should reveal the debug messages
14:27 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: sure. you can also install 2 versions side by side, if you prefer
14:27 SoCalledFlipped  Ok wonderful.
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14:28 SoCalledFlipped  74 mb? Why is it three times as large?
14:29 SoCalledFlipped  It doesn't matter.
14:29 SoCalledFlipped  I installed it in a different directory than /Applications.
14:29 SoCalledFlipped  It launches fine. Now for the money shot...
14:29 SoCalledFlipped  Building font cache... ?
14:30 SoCalledFlipped  This should take less than a few minutes. But you probably already know that.
14:30 SoCalledFlipped  Fancy schmancy. I like the new look.
14:30 SoCalledFlipped  I've got an flv running fine.
14:31 SoCalledFlipped  Full screen.
14:31 SoCalledFlipped  mp4 works.
14:31 SoCalledFlipped  Should I be trying different video formats, or is there anything in particular you want me to debug?
14:32 SoCalledFlipped  Why don't I try merging two flv files, that is the reason why I came here today.
14:32 SoCalledFlipped  PPC 32 bit btw.
14:32 feepk  yeah, we don't do PPC 64 bit :)
14:33 feepk  thanks for the tests
14:33 feepk  that's all I needed to know!
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14:33 SoCalledFlipped  No... wait... you have to hear the flv merge test!
14:33 SoCalledFlipped  Who am I kidding, it's not going to work.
14:33 SoCalledFlipped  But yeah, it looks beautiful.
14:33 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: VLC may not be the best tool to do that, honestly
14:33 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: thanks!
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14:34 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: as a work-around, you could re-mux your flv content (without transcoding the actual content) to mkv and merge the result with MKVMerge or something like that
14:34 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: flv is a weird format..
14:35 SoCalledFlipped  subtitles work automatically which is nice.
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14:35 SoCalledFlipped  Thanks for the tip, and the hot new vlc hook up.
14:36 feepk  you're welcome
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14:40 SoCalledFlipped  Actually, I am comparing side by side the same avi file, and 2.0.1 has noticeable skips and artifacts when I do anything in the UI, in particular menus. Let me try a different format.
14:41 edwardw1  lol macs
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14:47 SoCalledFlipped  feepk: I spoke too soon. After further tests, 2.0.1 uses much more CPU than 1.1.12, so much so that videos that used to play fine are not watchable.
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14:48 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: alright, thanks for the feedback. i'll see what I can do. actually, exactly this regression should have been fixed in 2.0.1 in contrast to 2.0.0 ..
14:48 SoCalledFlipped  It's anecdotal of course, and I will be doing more tests.
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14:51 SoCalledFlipped  If you're interested, that is.
14:54 SoCalledFlipped  Oh, you already said "that's all I need to know"
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14:55 No_se  Don't take that to serious. Every dev is interested in feedback on the current version.
14:56 SoCalledFlipped  Cool, then I will be filing an angry ticket like http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6405
14:57 No_se  One good (and maybe even early) bug report is much better for everyone than hundreds of users getting annoyed.
14:57 SoCalledFlipped  Good point.
14:58 edwardw1  angry ticket lol
14:58 SoCalledFlipped  "Creative" ticket
14:58 edwardw1  I wonder how a piece of software can "suck cock"
14:59 SoCalledFlipped  Reading #6405 makes me feel better about my user experience.
14:59 edwardw1  human computer interaction :D
14:59 mjt  i observe a "good" audio desyncronization with recent vlc (debian sid build, 2.0.0-6).  When a movie plays audio is either too slow or too fast compared with video, the delta may be up to 1s or more, the more it plays the more noticeable it becomes.  But when positioning in the video stream to some point, even to the _current_ point, the sync restores.  Anything can be done about it?
14:59 No_se  edwardw1: This market is worth millions (or even billions).
14:59 SoCalledFlipped  Don't you mean: gigantic, bloody, diseased transvestite cock?
15:00 edwardw1  well, angry bug reports like this = humour for VLC developers
15:00 edwardw1  also, invest in human computer interaction
15:00 edwardw1  by the way he blames VLC for Apple's dictatorial style of release
15:00 edwardw1  why not switch to Linux or Windows?
15:01 SoCalledFlipped  Apple drops old hardware pretty quick.
15:01 SoCalledFlipped  That guy really should switch to Linux. So should I.
15:01 edwardw1  I still have Pentiums III running Linux server
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15:02 No_se  He confused several things. The biggest mistake (for me) is thinking VLC does not _want_ to support his OS.
15:03 SoCalledFlipped  His anger should be directed at Apple, then.
15:05 edwardw1  unfortunately, nobody can hear you from within the walled garden...
15:07 edwardw1  by the way Adobe is doing a good job at killing flash
15:08 feepk  No_se: honestly, we don't want to support 10.4.
15:08 feepk  No_se: supporting 10.4 is way beyond being funny. there is a reason nobody else on the planet is supporting 10.4 either
15:08 feepk  No_se: and that actually less than 2 per cent of all Mac users still use it
15:09 SoCalledFlipped  Strange, but more testing, some videos seem to run fine, others max out the CPU. In 1.1.12 I can compile something in XCode without a hitch, but 2.0.1, if it doesn't cause visible artifacts, the first thing that happens is audio drops out for split seconds.
15:10 No_se  As I wrote earlier "vlc does not have the resources to support it"
15:11 feepk  well, we would need to spam the source with lots of #ifdef 10.4, which is stupid
15:11 SoCalledFlipped  Again, it's anecdotal, but I would prefer video to lag before audio, so I can have videos playing in the background while working on other projects.
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15:12 edwardw1  feepk: you think like an Apple employee
15:13 Asmageddon  Hello
15:13 edwardw1  everyone must have money to upgrade to latest crap
15:13 Asmageddon  Is it possible to make gifs using VLC?
15:13 feepk  edwardw1: sorry, but the last machines which don't support 10.5 (which is way better to support) we released more than 10 years ago
15:13 feepk  s/we/were
15:14 Asmageddon  Say I want a 5fps gif of 12m0s-12m11s, of 100x100 sized area starting at 50x50. Is this possible?
15:14 edwardw1  Asmageddon: http://miss-mishi.livejournal.com/78612.html
15:14 feepk  edwardw1: basically, these machines are so slow, it wouldn't make sense to run a modern VLC on it, because you couldn't use most of its features anyway
15:14 edwardw1  feepk: that's no excuse
15:14 edwardw1  Pentium IIIs still run VLC perfectly
15:14 Asmageddon  Celeron here and it runs perfectly
15:14 edwardw1  basically, mac encourages you to spend your heart out on Apple products
15:14 feepk  edwardw1: does it play 720p H.264?
15:14 Asmageddon  I've also got a broken GPU
15:14 thresh  lol @ p3
15:15 Asmageddon  And I can play 720p just fine
15:15 Asmageddon  (most of the time)
15:15 thresh  you can hardly run 480p mpeg2 on those
15:15 edwardw1  who said anything about 480p?
15:15 edwardw1  240p is good for me
15:15 No_se  feepk: Are you seriously discussiong on mac with edwardw1?
15:15 feepk  edwardw1: nobody forces you to use the latest version of VLC. 0.9.10 is a cool release, which suits most needs, except for 10bit H264
15:15 thresh  :))
15:15 feepk  lol
15:15 edwardw1  either way, Apple is a shitty corporate machine
15:15 feepk  my nokia 3310 could play 240p :p
15:16 edwardw1  evil in every way
15:17 feepk  edwardw1: I didn't intend to disturb you in your free PIII machine with free bios and free hardware and free everything. it's definitely a better world for you overthere
15:17 edwardw1  feepk: who said anything about freeBIOS?
15:17 SoCalledFlipped  I hate to say this, and I mean, I REALLY hate to say this, but you guys might want to start thinking about removing those 10.5 #ifdefs too.
15:18 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: that's my plan for VLC 3.0 actually, which should be out late this year or early next year
15:18 SoCalledFlipped  sigh.
15:18 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: VLC 2.0 will be the last release for PowerPC and 10.5
15:18 edwardw1  basically, you must shell out more money for the next version of Mac
15:18 edwardw1  possibly including hardware costs
15:19 edwardw1  the Mac cult
15:19 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: 2.0 will have a long life though (longer than 3.0's release), because it is part of the LTS release of Ubuntu
15:19 thresh  you must shell out more money for the next version of Intel CPUs
15:19 edwardw1  thresh: you don't have to shell out money for next release of Debian...
15:19 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: so, there will probably bugfix release for the LTS lifetime, which is either 3 or even 5 years, I don't remember atm
15:20 edwardw1  in short, Mac is proprietary and evil
15:20 SoCalledFlipped  Are there any extra codecs and compatibilities that come with version 2, or are the only changes to the UI? I won't be able to use 2.0.1 to watch videos in the background while working on something else, but it would be nice for strange file types that 1.1.12 won't handle.
15:21 SoCalledFlipped  edwardw1: Mac used to be better than Microsoft, now it's just as bad or worse, eh?
15:22 edwardw1  I'm talking about the walled garden style of management
15:22 edwardw1  you must follow us
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15:23 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: yes, updated codecs, major speed improvements if your machine got more than 1 CPU
15:23 SoCalledFlipped  Yeah. To bad I don't have more than one.
15:23 Asmageddon  When was Mac better than Windows?
15:24 Asmageddon  Or Apple than Microsoft?
15:24 ln-  always?
15:25 SoCalledFlipped  Dude, they were totally cooler, stylish design, and then I started noticing how fast they dropped support. MS still supports windows 98. There is probably a windows 98 VLC, isn't there?
15:25 Asmageddon  Really?
15:25 Asmageddon  As much as I hate Microsoft I have never noticed
15:26 Asmageddon  Well, Microsoft is an IT company
15:26 Asmageddon  Apple is a marketing company
15:26 Asmageddon  They only make IT stuff to have something to sell
15:26 Asmageddon  You can't expect them to do it right
15:27 SoCalledFlipped  That is an interesting point.
15:27 mjt  m$ still supports w98?  Is that a bad joke?
15:28 Asmageddon  It doesn't but it did for a long time
15:28 Asmageddon  It still supports Win XP for example
15:28 mjt  yes
15:28 Asmageddon  What is the oldest product Apple supports?
15:29 mjt  does it really matter?
15:29 Asmageddon  Yes it does
15:29 Asmageddon  It basically means "Fuck you, customers. Unless you continue paying us you're on your own"
15:29 Asmageddon  Microsoft at least cares for it's customers
15:30 Asmageddon  Even if because of greed, it does
15:30 mjt  um. most apple fans will use latest and greatest anyway :)
15:30 mjt  or i think so
15:30 mjt  (i'm not one of them)
15:31 SoCalledFlipped  Ok, I think this might actually be useful feedback, because it has nothing to do with my processor inadequacies. http://www.freeimagehosting.net/h8azs
15:31 Asmageddon  I've got Macs in school
15:31 feepk  SoCalledFlipped: btw. for Windows, require Windows XP SP3
15:31 SoCalledFlipped  Full screen screenshot, with a purple bottom and left border.
15:32 Asmageddon  Around 20 of them
15:32 Asmageddon  Only one is latest OS X because there is no money to upgrade so much computers every year or two
15:32 Asmageddon  So yeah, it does matter
15:32 Asmageddon  it means it's only really suitable for private consumers
15:32 Asmageddon  And only those who have heaps of money
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15:33 SoCalledFlipped  That purple border is definitely not there in 1.1.12
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15:34 ILEoo  hakzsam: nope, nothing from them
15:34 SoCalledFlipped  on osx 10.5.8 ppc
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15:35 SoCalledFlipped  That border is also there when not fullscreen, it's just easier to see when fullscreen.
15:37 SoCalledFlipped  Ok, well, I'm going to go back to my original issue, trying to watch Japanese TV from Chinese websites. Thanks, everyone, for making it possible for me to watch videos on my computer.
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15:44 InTheWings  Sunday, Trolly, Sunday ♪
15:45 Asmageddon  Trolling Troll Trolley
15:48 lissyx  talking about osx
15:48 lissyx  using libvlc from VLC.app (nightly build of friday), I'm having crashes
15:49 lissyx  I have a Qt application, that starts two media players, one attached on a different QWidget (actually a QLabel) with libvlc_media_player_set_nsobject()
15:49 lissyx  I can see a couple of broken frames before it crashes (correct image, but incorrect colors)
15:50 ILEoo  do you have backtrace?
15:50 lissyx  yes, unreadable
15:51 lissyx  when I disable the set_nsobject() call, no more issue
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15:53 lissyx  hm
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15:53 lissyx  even commenting set_nsobject I get crash
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15:56 lissyx  ILEoo, verbose=2 shows "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file"
15:57 Asmageddon  Oh right guise  
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15:57 Asmageddon  Do you know of something that could be used to multiplex stdin to stdout and a file?
15:57 Asmageddon  I'm using a Python script I wrote for that right now
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15:58 ILEoo  lissyx: don't seem to relate on that kinda crash
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15:58 lissyx  k
15:58 ILEoo  Asmageddon: tee command?
15:59 lissyx  let me run it with debug symbols built and under gdb
15:59 Asmageddon  tee!
15:59 Asmageddon  Right
15:59 Asmageddon  Lol, it
15:59 Asmageddon  's pretty much identical to what I wrote
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16:02 lissyx  okay, under gdb I have sound but no video
16:02 lissyx  it's okay, I disabled the set_nsobject() call.
16:02 Swalih  can anyone help me out with VLC
16:03 edwardw1  Swalih: no, nobody can help you with VLC
16:03 No_se  !ask Swalih
16:03 Hector4212_  Swalih: Don't ask to ask! Just ask your question and wait for an answer!
16:03 lissyx  now let's see with it enabled back.
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16:03 edwardw1  this is the mplayer support channel
16:03 edwardw1  we don't use no stinking VLC
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16:03 No_se  :-|
16:04 edwardw1  well, read the channel name :S
16:04 edwardw1  you'd expect basic literacy
16:04 lissyx  fuck yeah dementiah
16:04 lissyx  it ... runs ...
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16:05*edwardw1 sets mode -troll +nice
16:05*Asmageddon sets mode +++troll -nice
16:05 Asmageddon  Trolling is cool
16:05 Asmageddon  Boring people don't troll
16:06 Asmageddon  Usually, that is
16:06 edwardw1  although I think we went a bit overboard...
16:06 lissyx  even out of gdb it works
16:06 lissyx  so there's something wrong in my code
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16:36 urthmover  What is the setting for borderless playback?  I'm on OSX.  I have borderless playback  working in v1.1.12, but I can't seem to find the setting for it in v2.0.0
16:37 urthmover  I thought it might have been window decorations but enabling and disabling that with restarts in-between doesn't seem to do anything in either version.
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16:43 edwardw1  feepk: still there?
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17:16 Binbo  is it possible for me to know if there still vid in the cache before i trigger stop event
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17:56 lissyx  How is the function libvlc_audio_set_mute supposed to work ?
17:56 lissyx  Using libvlc 1.1 (ubuntu) with pulseaudio
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17:57 lissyx  I have one libvlc instance, with two media_player
17:57 edwardw1  seriously?
17:57 lissyx  I'm setting mute on one of them
17:57 edwardw1  lissyx: http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc/doc/doxygen/html/group__libvlc__audio.html#ga438620a3c817b8b4faceb77c476b89fe
17:57 lissyx  edwardw1, let me finish before shouting "idiot" at me
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17:57 lissyx  http://pastebin.com/iiRxBVfy
17:58 lissyx  so one media player has been muted, the other not
17:58 lissyx  yet none produce sound
17:58 edwardw1  yes, that is normal
17:58 lissyx  why ?
17:58 edwardw1  does it produce sound without the mute?
17:59 edwardw1  try latest libvlc
17:59 lissyx  yes it works without mute
17:59 lissyx  2.0.0 ?
17:59 edwardw1  git
18:00 lissyx  fixed bug ?
18:00 edwardw1  no idea, but it doesn't hurt to try
18:00 edwardw1  (not trolling)
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18:00 lissyx  ah you don't know
18:00 lissyx  I thought you knew
18:00 edwardw1  according to the documentation it should work
18:01 lissyx  I did a rapid test this night, it looked like it did not work at all on libvlc 2.0 on my debian sid
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18:03 CIA-63  Mirsal Ennaime master modules/control/dbus/dbus_root.c: dbus: fix the CanSetFullscreen property getter Make org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.CanSetFullscreen true only when a vout thread is running.
18:04 mirsal  hello there
18:04 edwardw1  mirsal: hi
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18:13 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master modules/control/dbus/dbus.c: dbus: remove excessive main loop debugging
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18:17 thresh  courmisch: thanks, it was really annoying
18:17 courmisch  thresh: +1
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18:21 mirsal  thresh, sorry about that :/
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18:22 mirsal  courmisch, thanks, there is still way too much debug output, I'll clean it up.
18:23 edwardw1  or --disable-dbus solves it cleanly
18:23 edwardw1  since nobody uses dbus anyway
18:24 thresh  I do
18:24 edwardw1  how do you use dbus anyway
18:24 edwardw1  is it like /proc?
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18:25 mirsal  edwardw1, nope: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus
18:25 edwardw1  I already know it's some sort of message passing system
18:26 edwardw1  but I have yet to see a MediaPlayer client on dbus
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18:27 mirsal  edwardw1, Ubuntu's sound indicator for instance, or GNOME's mpris extension, KDE's now playing applet, etc...
18:27 mirsal  s/applet/plasmoid or something
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18:42 witness123  hi
18:42 edwardw1  !ask witness123
18:42 Hector4212_  witness123: Don't ask to ask! Just ask your question and wait for an answer!
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18:44 CIA-63  Mirsal Ennaime master modules/control/dbus/dbus.c: dbus: remove useless callback and fix warnings
18:44 witness123  ok why didn't  vlc participate in Gsoc ?  
18:45 edwardw1  witness123: because VideoLAN was not selected for GSoC this year
18:45 edwardw1  !gsoc witness123
18:45 Hector4212_  witness123: No GSoC this year.
18:46 witness123  how far has the porting of android has been done in vlc ?  
18:46 edwardw1  witness123: why do you ask?
18:46 edwardw1  it is not ready for release yet
18:47 witness123  I am interested in contributing something to vlc
18:47-!- Dresk [~Dresk@c-68-83-23-87.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
18:47 feepk  edwardw1: yes?
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18:47 edwardw1  feepk: sorry about the trolling earlier
18:48 feepk  edwardw1: no problem, I didn't take it personally
18:48 edwardw1  witness123: what do you know?
18:48 witness123  i am good at C, and has a good overview of C++ ,java and android
18:49 edwardw1  witness123: audio knowledge? know Qt?
18:49 edwardw1  witness123: do you speak English?
18:49 witness123  yes
18:49 witness123  learning Qt though
18:49 edwardw1  witness123: OS?
18:50 witness123  has no knowledge about qt
18:50 witness123  sorry audio
18:50 witness123  uses windows and linux
18:50 witness123  ubuntu 11-10
18:50 edwardw1  witness123: did you compile VLC yet?
18:51 witness123  yes
18:51 witness123  i have successfully compiled
18:51 witness123  the one in git
18:52 witness123  where do i get started ?
18:52 witness123  edwardw1,  
18:52 edwardw1  witness123: try an easy bug http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&difficulty=easy&severity=trivial&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&order=priority
18:53 witness123  ok
18:55 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master modules/services_discovery/pulse.c: PulseAudio: update existing item rather than delete and replace This avoids the infamous VLC playlist bug whereby the playlist stops if the current ...
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19:08 edwardw1  funman: ping
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19:25 edwardw1  funman: Y U BEING so evil?
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19:33 feepk  edwardw1: because he's french?
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19:36 edwardw1  feepk: no, because he http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/vlc-devel/2010-January/072219.html
19:36 sheriff  am a user of vlc i want to know how to format dat to mp4 to watch on my phone
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19:36 ILEoo  sheriff: encode video/audio to formats what your phone supports
19:37 sheriff  how do i tell me my phone supports mp4 format
19:37 edwardw1  sheriff: H.264 AAC
19:37 edwardw1  MP4/MOV mux
19:38 sheriff  and what
19:38 edwardw1  video codec = H.264
19:38 feepk  edwardw1: why would you need this?
19:38 edwardw1  feepk: Android port
19:38 feepk  edwardw1: so you're looking for more hacks to support this broken platform? :p
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19:38 edwardw1  since the port is centred around libvlc
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19:39 edwardw1  feepk: you sound like courmish
19:39 sheriff  edward is my question prohibited
19:39 edwardw1  ?
19:39 edwardw1  File -> Convert
19:40 feepk  edwardw1: heh
19:40 feepk  edwardw1: seriously. why do you need to access the instance directly?
19:40 edwardw1  feepk: to activate the audio normalizer
19:40 feepk  edwardw1: the clean way would be to expand the API to give you the functionality you need
19:41 edwardw1  like you do in AudioEffects.m
19:42 edwardw1  feepk: or do you know of a way to get the aout?
19:42 edwardw1  since the filter itself is in /modules/audio_filter/normvol.c
19:43 feepk  edwardw1: you are not supposed to access VLC's module directly through libvlc
19:44 feepk  edwardw1: however, I'd suggest to expand libvlc_media_player to support this
19:44 feepk  edwardw1: since you can already perform various vout stuff on it, there is no reason why it shouldn't do audio
19:44 edwardw1  why couldn't they implement the Android UI as an intf?
19:44 edwardw1  instead they have to use courmish's little pet toy
19:45 sheriff  edward explain to me step by step
19:45 feepk  libvlc is rather pdherbemont's little pet toy :)
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19:45 edwardw1  would be nice if we could clobber pdherbemont over the head
19:45 feepk  edwardw1: because this way, it works exactly the same way as MobileVLC for iOS
19:45 sheriff  i have done what u told but still .ps
19:45 edwardw1  with a crowbar
19:46 feepk  edwardw1: and honestly, it really makes sense to use libvlc for this project instead of adding yet another hack within libvlccore to support an Android interface
19:46 feepk  edwardw1: in fact, all interfaces should use libvlc instead of being part of it
19:46 edwardw1  says the mac developer
19:46 sheriff  could any one help with converting dat to mp4  
19:46 edwardw1  Media -> Convert
19:46 edwardw1  select media
19:47 feepk  edwardw1: hey, I've got a working interface here running on top of libvlc
19:47 edwardw1  actually never mind  
19:47 edwardw1  use Media -> Stream
19:47 edwardw1  select media
19:47 edwardw1  click Next
19:47 feepk  edwardw1: it's just that we didn't merge it with main line VLC
19:47 edwardw1  libvlc is crap
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19:47 edwardw1  no access to var_Set, var_Get
19:47 edwardw1  no access to aout, vout
19:47 edwardw1  no access to anything
19:47 feepk  edwardw1: yes, and that's for good reasons
19:48 feepk  edwardw1: libvlc is layered
19:48 feepk  edwardw1: and the top layer isn't supposed with something down the line, but just the layer below it
19:48 edwardw1  yet both OSX and Qt ports use var_Set*
19:48 feepk  edwardw1: this way, you can keep the API the same while complete re-writing it internally
19:49 edwardw1  I am still not convinced
19:49 feepk  edwardw1: yes, because both interfaces are part of libvlc and therefore part of the same layer as aout and vout
19:49 edwardw1  we want equal rights
19:49 edwardw1  we shall not stand for this kind of discrimination
19:49 edwardw1  the systemism
19:51 sheriff  edward the file to be converted and location to save the convert had been chosen what next
19:51 edwardw1  convert?
19:52 sheriff  done
19:52 sheriff  yes
19:53 sheriff  edward
19:53 edwardw1  feepk: that is because you are not being discriminated againt
19:53 pSub  hi, i want to report a bug, but all links in the "Reporting bugs" section are not working. Thats what vlc gives me playing the dvd http://hpaste.org/65520. I'm a bit surprised by the segmentation fault
19:53 edwardw1  sheriff: where are you in the process?
19:53 sheriff  at convert
19:53 thresh  pSub: which links exactly do not work?
19:54 feepk  edwardw1: oh, I am and will continue to be as far as iOS is concerned
19:54 pSub  thresh: reporting bugs policy gives 403
19:54 edwardw1  feepk: the main MacOSX port
19:54 pSub  thresh: and the links to the trac "Environment not found"
19:54 feepk  edwardw1: and I still support the layer separation. in fact, for the iOS we added even another layer on top of libvlc
19:54 edwardw1  pSub: http://forum.videolan.org/403.html
19:54 thresh  pSub: what's your IP so I check against the logs?
19:54 sheriff  edward
19:55 edwardw1  sheriff: did you select media yet?
19:55 edwardw1  sheriff: select media, the select MP4 profile
19:55 pSub  thresh: 93.229.107.182
19:55 edwardw1  then convert
19:55 sheriff  yes  
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19:55 feepk  guys, did j-b say anything about when he'll be back? tonight or tomorrow?
19:55 sheriff  what do i choose to convert i mean option
19:55 thresh  pSub: do you use some weird proxy solution?
19:56 edwardw1  I give up
19:56 pSub  thresh: no
19:56 edwardw1  sheriff: http://wiki.videolan.org/IPod_Video_Conversion_Guide
19:56 sheriff  please
19:56 edwardw1  sheriff: http://wiki.videolan.org/IPod_Video_Conversion_Guide
19:57 sheriff  i have read the guide but still do not that why i decided to chat
19:57 thresh  pSub: what browser do you use?
19:57 pSub  thresh: jumanji, a webkit based browser
19:58 edwardw1  sheriff: http://wiki.videolan.org/IPod_Video_Conversion_Guide#Converting_a_Video_with_the_Graphical_User_Interface
19:58 edwardw1  weird browser
19:58 sheriff  i wasted i 1gb in searching for answer but all in vain edward
19:58 thresh  pSub: looks like it doing some nasty things, like faking user-agent?
19:59 sheriff  i got limited internet connection
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20:00 sheriff  convert for
20:00 sheriff  convert
20:00 pSub  thresh: yes, the user-agent is weird… in firefox everything works
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20:02 edwardw1  reminds me to update wiki page
20:02 pSub  thresh: i'll report the bug via firefox, thank you
20:02 sheriff  264 aac(mp4) as option
20:02 edwardw1  yeah\
20:03 sheriff  what next have been doing it with no success
20:03 edwardw1  !nb sheriff
20:03 Hector4212_  sheriff: Nightly Builds can be found at http://nightlies.videolan.org/, trunk is 2.1.0 and branch is 2.0.0
20:03 edwardw1  get VLC 2.1
20:04 sheriff  is this an upgrade
20:04 edwardw1  Then, follow these instructions
20:04 edwardw1  1) Media -> Stream
20:04 edwardw1  2) "add" file to convert
20:04 edwardw1  3) click stream
20:04 edwardw1  4) click "Next" on wizard
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20:05 edwardw1  5) Add "File" as a destination, select resulting filename (end in .mp4)
20:05 sheriff  ed cant i use 1.1.5 version
20:05 edwardw1  6) Select Video H.264 + AAC
20:05 edwardw1  7) Click stream
20:05 thresh  pSub: you're welcome
20:06 edwardw1  sheriff: Media -> Convert should be all you need
20:07 edwardw1  sheriff: http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Streaming_HowTo_New#Transcoding_using_the_GUI
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20:09 mjt  i observe a "good" audio desyncronization with recent vlc (debian sid build, 2.0.0-6).  When a movie plays audio is either too slow or too fast compared with video, the delta may be up to 1s or more, the more it plays the more noticeable it becomes.  But when positioning in the video stream to some point, even to the _current_ point, the sync restores.  Anything can be done about it?
20:10 edwardw1  mjt: anything interesting in log?
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20:10 mjt  nothing except of usual things... some verbose level?
20:10 edwardw1  vlc -vvv
20:10 edwardw1  any warnings like [0xb3f19fb8] pulse audio output warning: too late by 61485 us
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20:11 sheriff  ed thanks i fanally got it thank u very much can i get or leave my contact in case i need more it problem
20:12 No_se  sheriff: Isn't this channel contact enough?
20:13 sheriff  it is will i meet u here anytime i need instant help
20:14 sheriff  can u also help me connect distant webcam
20:16 No_se  sheriff: You did notice that thos is a channel with several people in it? And that I am not edward.
20:19 sheriff  yeah assist with my question
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20:22 No_se  sheriff: You can join the chat and ask your question. If someone able to help is available you might get good answers. But sometimes you will have to be patient or look up some solutions (or parts of it) yourself.
20:22 edwardw1  esp. http://wiki.videolan.org/Special:Search
20:23 sheriff  hi guys who could me in the installation of distant webcam
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20:25 No_se  sheriff: Not directly related to your webcam, but directly connected to getting help: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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20:34 mjt  edwardw1: yes there are quite some of these warnings:
20:34 mjt  [0x8975a78] pulse audio output warning: too early by 41465 us
20:34 mjt  [0x8975a78] pulse audio output debug: changed sample rate to 47954 Hz
20:34 mjt  [0x8975a78] pulse audio output warning: too early by 41010 us
20:34 mjt  [0x8975a78] pulse audio output debug: changed sample rate to 47929 Hz
20:34 mjt  ...
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20:38 mjt  what does it mean?
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20:50 mjt  i just tried xine on the same places, for comparison -- it works correctly
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21:02 courmisch  it means PulseAudio is drifting too early, so VLC reduces the rate to let the video signal catch up
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21:08 mjt  so it jumps back and forth
21:08 mjt  and the more it plays the larger the jumps becomes
21:08 courmisch  VLC does not jump
21:08 courmisch  it only adjusts the speed
21:08 mjt  audio compared with video
21:09 ILEoo  maybe your audio or video track meta is wrong and that causes drift
21:09 courmisch  looks to me that PulseAudio is returning fucked timing on your system
21:10 courmisch  which probably means your ALSA driver is returning fucked timing
21:10 mjt  till i hit some place in the "scrollbar" with the current position - even clicking the current position helps
21:10 mjt  hmm
21:10 mjt  (how is that "scrollbar" called?)
21:10 courmisch  yes of course, if you seek, the audio buffer will be reset
21:10 courmisch  so the drift will be reset too
21:12 mjt  alsa output does the same
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21:12 mjt  this is something i had never seen before vlc-2.0.0
21:12 mjt  the same movies played fine before
21:13 courmisch  the audio output is quite different in 2.0
21:14 mjt  [0x88008a8] main audio output warning: not synchronized (-40646 us), resampling
21:14 mjt  [0x88008a8] main audio output warning: buffer too early (-40316), down-sampling
21:14 xtophe  j-b: win32 build signed
21:14 mjt  [0x88008a8] main audio output warning: resampling stopped after 10964021 usec (drift: -246)
21:23 mjt  only certain parts are having these problems, not all movies and not any place of the ones which do have issues
21:28 mjt  is there a way to disable the resampling?
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21:36 mjt  courmisch: what do you mean by "fucked timing" ?
21:37 mjt  courmisch: i tried on another PC (my notebook, with entirely different chipset) and the same movie is drifting at the same places
21:38 mjt  and neither xine nor older versions of vlc behaves like this
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21:40 mjt  maybe it's the kernel, but that does not explain why xine works just fine
21:40 courmisch  timing that makes VLC think it is out of sync when it is in sync
21:40 courmisch  well, Xine probably does not use the audio timing the same way
21:40 courmisch  it could be a VLC bug, but that falls in the class of performance bugs: the class of bugs that you need to investigate yourself because nobody can do it for you
21:41 mjt  the question is "how" :)
21:42 mjt  heh. i tried another audio track on the same movie. Now it _looks_ fine, ie, no visible desyncronization, but the log is full of resample messages. it jumps around 48000 Hz, up-down-up-down, every half a second.
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21:55 courmisch  to me that says that the PulseAudio latency estimates are unstable/imprecise
21:55 courmisch  this may be a bug in the audio driver, or it might be that the audio card is just crap and cannot measure latency with the 100ms precision required by VLC
21:55 mjt  well, it behaves exactly the same with alsa and oss outputs too
21:56 mjt  (which is all alsa in the end anyway)
21:57 mjt  two machines, one is onboard amd780g graphics, another is some nvidia thing
21:57 mjt  the common part is kernel
21:57 mjt  which is 3.0
21:58 mjt  um, audio ;)
21:58 courmisch  I doubt the kernel as such matters, the hardware audio codec does
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21:58 mjt  00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
21:59 mjt  00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
21:59 dusf  i was advised in here some time ago to stop vlc blacking out since installing a hd radeon 4650 to use 'vlc -V x11 -vvv > logs.txt' whenever i use this it never blacks out. can anyone tell me which arument(s) i can add to my ubuntu launcher, and can i run it without a terminal appearing?
22:00 dusf  *i was actually advised to use that command to try log the problem, not as a fix which it has now turned out to be!
22:01 edwardw1  dusf: Tools -> Preferences -> Video -> Set Output to "X11 video output (XCB)"
22:01 dusf  edwardw1: credit to you, thanks
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22:08 InTheWings  http://gamecenter.grantgalitz.org/
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22:11 Powerfire  est
22:14 edwardw1  !ask Powerfire
22:14 Hector4212_  Powerfire: Don't ask to ask! Just ask your question and wait for an answer!
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22:17 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master modules/video_filter/transform.c: transform: cosmetic fixes
22:17 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master modules/video_filter/transform.c: transform: add YUY2 rotations
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22:31 CIA-63  Rémi Denis-Courmont master modules/video_filter/transform.c: transform: remove old commented out code
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22:46 detaos  edwardw1: ping
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23:02 AlexS[v4]  hi, anyone here knows if vlc is accepted as organisation for gsoc?
23:02-!- ePirat is now known as ePirat|off
23:02 j-b  !gsoc AlexS[v4]  
23:02 Hector4212_  AlexS[v4]: No GSoC this year.
23:03 AlexS[v4]  :(
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23:13 j-b  courmisch: ping
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23:19 edwardw1  detaos: pong
23:19 edwardw1  j-b: ping
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23:20 j-b  edwardw1: pong
23:20 detaos  hey edwardw1, i've got those logs from last night if you're still interested.
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23:26 detaos  edwardw1: http://celtrenicdesigns.com/whooey/detaos_logs_2012.03.17.txt
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23:40 edwardw1  j-b: I have two questions
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23:42 edwardw1  detaos: you didn't try an audio rtsp?
23:43 detaos  edwardw1: all i have to stream from is the teradek encoder, which only outputs video.
23:43 edwardw1  edwardw1: you can try streaming from your desktop VLC :P
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23:43 edwardw1  detaos: &
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23:45 detaos  edwardw1: good point ... let me power up my lab gear and give that a go ...
23:45 edwardw1  j-b: not there?
23:46 j-b  I an
23:46 j-b  I am waiting for your questions...
23:47 edwardw1  j-b: what is the best way to get access to var_Set/var_Get as well as a p_aout in vlc-android?
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23:47 edwardw1  j-b: since funman nuked libvlc_get_vlc_instance
23:48 edwardw1  j-b: my other question is whether you have tested my updated patch, cleared of whitespace errors :)
23:48 j-b  you should not get access to var_* there.
23:48 j-b  no, I did not
23:49 edwardw1  j-b: I would like to activate the "volnorm" audio filter
23:49 edwardw1  j-b: to normalize audio in Android
23:49 edwardw1  j-b: and make it configurable in prefs
23:49 edwardw1  j-b: but I need to var_SetInteger( p_aout, "norm-max-level", <level> );
23:50 edwardw1  the equalizer would also be interesting to activate
23:50 edwardw1  it would make VLC the most featureful PMP
23:51 j-b  you need to expose them in libVLC first
23:51 edwardw1  j-b: doesn't that mean we'll end up exposing everything anyways?
23:51 edwardw1  j-b: why are we discriminating against Android?
23:52 edwardw1  j-b: why can't Android be a fully featured p_intf in its own right?
23:52 edwardw1  that way we get access as a full member of the VLC team
23:52 edwardw1  not some guy's pet project
23:52 edwardw1  because libvlc is for n00bs
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23:58 edwardw1  j-b: ?
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